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		<title>By: Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 15:38:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello Tim,
As a 12 year veteran of the Trade Show Industry and with experience helping run Fortune 500 Trade Show programs, I can surely understand your sentiments and agree with most of them.
Too many vendors are &quot;locked&quot; into the business, and too often, show organizers want a substantial cut on top of those rates...which skews them even more (including drayage).
In regards to Drayage, I definitely think our US drayage rates are out of whack, but there is definitely more that goes into Drayage than most people are aware (which is part of the problem, very few people understand or educate about the overall cost of drayage).
1. The show contractor has to bring in all of the semi-tractors, trailers, and fork-lifts to manage moving all of the containers.
2. All of the exhibitor containers are moved:
-onto the show floor for set-up
-back off the show floor for storage during the event
-then back to the exhibitor&#039;s booth after the show for tear-down
-and then back to the loading docks and loaded onto the exhibitor&#039;s outbound shipping truck
(granted, this is more than a small exhibitor with self-contained components, but this is what happens with 90% of the exhibit floor on medium to large shows)  
3. Shows require 100&#039;s of fork-lifts, fork-lift operators, 100&#039;s of semi-trailers, plus the semi&#039;s to pull all of the trailers (plus people to drive them), a marshalling yard and area to keep all of the 100&#039;s of trailers during the show.  All of this equipment, fuel, and personnel are brought in for the show...they are part of the show&#039;s contractor, they are not supplied as part of the show hall.  While I believe there is way too much mark-up on Drayage...it&#039;s probably not as much as one may think.  But, I definitely believe the drayage rates could definitely come down about at least 25%-35% and people could still make money.  The problem is, too many hands are trying to make money on the drayage and other show services.
Regarding Electric service for example, all of the electric grids, wires and service for a show have to be set-up from scratch for each show.  Remember, when an association reserves a hall, they are getting a &quot;blank hall&quot;.  The contractor has to haul in all of the electrical equipment (same with furniture, internet, etc), wire it all, and dispurse it to each booth for the show.  Then, after the show is done, they have to haul it all out of the show and back to their storage.  That is the cost people are paying for, the actual &quot;electricity&quot; is a minute part of the equation.
Now that it sounds like I&#039;m defending the industry, let me say there is still way too much corruption and unfair business practices in trade shows making it too expensive for companies to participate in this difficult economy.  Unless there are drastic changes, the industry will essentially demolish itself forcing it to completely rebuild from the bottom up.  Please see a recent blog posting of mine entitled, &quot;Overcharging, Legal Extortion, Unfair Manipulation of Rates and Dates Oh My...&quot;  http://www.eventpeeps.com/profiles/blogs/overcharging-legal-extortion 
Thanks!
Matt</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Tim,<br />
As a 12 year veteran of the Trade Show Industry and with experience helping run Fortune 500 Trade Show programs, I can surely understand your sentiments and agree with most of them.<br />
Too many vendors are &#8220;locked&#8221; into the business, and too often, show organizers want a substantial cut on top of those rates&#8230;which skews them even more (including drayage).<br />
In regards to Drayage, I definitely think our US drayage rates are out of whack, but there is definitely more that goes into Drayage than most people are aware (which is part of the problem, very few people understand or educate about the overall cost of drayage).<br />
1. The show contractor has to bring in all of the semi-tractors, trailers, and fork-lifts to manage moving all of the containers.<br />
2. All of the exhibitor containers are moved:<br />
-onto the show floor for set-up<br />
-back off the show floor for storage during the event<br />
-then back to the exhibitor&#8217;s booth after the show for tear-down<br />
-and then back to the loading docks and loaded onto the exhibitor&#8217;s outbound shipping truck<br />
(granted, this is more than a small exhibitor with self-contained components, but this is what happens with 90% of the exhibit floor on medium to large shows)<br />
3. Shows require 100&#8217;s of fork-lifts, fork-lift operators, 100&#8217;s of semi-trailers, plus the semi&#8217;s to pull all of the trailers (plus people to drive them), a marshalling yard and area to keep all of the 100&#8217;s of trailers during the show.  All of this equipment, fuel, and personnel are brought in for the show&#8230;they are part of the show&#8217;s contractor, they are not supplied as part of the show hall.  While I believe there is way too much mark-up on Drayage&#8230;it&#8217;s probably not as much as one may think.  But, I definitely believe the drayage rates could definitely come down about at least 25%-35% and people could still make money.  The problem is, too many hands are trying to make money on the drayage and other show services.<br />
Regarding Electric service for example, all of the electric grids, wires and service for a show have to be set-up from scratch for each show.  Remember, when an association reserves a hall, they are getting a &#8220;blank hall&#8221;.  The contractor has to haul in all of the electrical equipment (same with furniture, internet, etc), wire it all, and dispurse it to each booth for the show.  Then, after the show is done, they have to haul it all out of the show and back to their storage.  That is the cost people are paying for, the actual &#8220;electricity&#8221; is a minute part of the equation.<br />
Now that it sounds like I&#8217;m defending the industry, let me say there is still way too much corruption and unfair business practices in trade shows making it too expensive for companies to participate in this difficult economy.  Unless there are drastic changes, the industry will essentially demolish itself forcing it to completely rebuild from the bottom up.  Please see a recent blog posting of mine entitled, &#8220;Overcharging, Legal Extortion, Unfair Manipulation of Rates and Dates Oh My&#8230;&#8221;  <a href="http://www.eventpeeps.com/profiles/blogs/overcharging-legal-extortion" rel="nofollow">http://www.eventpeeps.com/profiles/blogs/overcharging-legal-extortion</a><br />
Thanks!<br />
Matt</p>
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		<title>By: Carlo/Carlo At Your Service Productions</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carlo/Carlo At Your Service Productions</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 04:31:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Although I&#039;m not a trade show maven, I have to tell you that I TOTALLY respect your post! It&#039;s ABOUT TIME someone stopped pussy-footin&#039; around an industry issue. I never understood it; sounding out about what isn&#039;t right, I mean. I keep thinking ... haven&#039;t others in the industry figured out that the MORE of us that sound-off about stuff, the MORE chances that things will change? 
So, whether I&#039;ve done one trade show or not (and I haven&#039;t) - I support you 100% for taking a stand and not booty-kissing the egos of the status quo.  
YOU ROCK and don&#039;t you EVER forget it!  
BTW, your personal experiences have been such that, when it comes to thinking about becoming a trade show exhibitor (which I never gave one iota of a thought, prior to reading this)I have to say no, thank you - not interested - got enough on my plate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Although I&#8217;m not a trade show maven, I have to tell you that I TOTALLY respect your post! It&#8217;s ABOUT TIME someone stopped pussy-footin&#8217; around an industry issue. I never understood it; sounding out about what isn&#8217;t right, I mean. I keep thinking &#8230; haven&#8217;t others in the industry figured out that the MORE of us that sound-off about stuff, the MORE chances that things will change?<br />
So, whether I&#8217;ve done one trade show or not (and I haven&#8217;t) &#8211; I support you 100% for taking a stand and not booty-kissing the egos of the status quo.<br />
YOU ROCK and don&#8217;t you EVER forget it!<br />
BTW, your personal experiences have been such that, when it comes to thinking about becoming a trade show exhibitor (which I never gave one iota of a thought, prior to reading this)I have to say no, thank you &#8211; not interested &#8211; got enough on my plate.</p>
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		<title>By: English</title>
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		<dc:creator>English</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Mar 2009 17:57:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reading your article refreshed my memory of tradeshows.  I am looking to get back into be an exhibitor and some of the tactics are pathetic.  There is blame game, but as an exhibitor I think that it should not be too hard to fix some of these problems.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reading your article refreshed my memory of tradeshows.  I am looking to get back into be an exhibitor and some of the tactics are pathetic.  There is blame game, but as an exhibitor I think that it should not be too hard to fix some of these problems.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian McAnerin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ian McAnerin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 22:43:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It occurred to me while reading this that one of the traditional ways to break monopolistic practices was by forming a CO-OP.

Can you imagine the purchasing power and resources a few dozen (or hundred) shows would have? If a venue wanted the business from any of them, they&#039;d have to provide rates and services acceptable to the co-op (or trade association, or whatever).

If a venue wanted to be an approved location, they would have to offer transparency and fall within certain guidelines. Their upside obviously is that as long as they make the co-op happy, the co-op will continue to send them far more business than any one show could hope to offer.

Heck for all the money involved, a large enough co-op could actually buy it&#039;s own venue(s) and cut out the middlemen. Whatever the result, I&#039;ve found that working together (even with competitors) tends to work better than getting screwed one-by-one.

Just thinking out loud - but if any group was capable of organizing this type of thing, you&#039;d think professional event organizers would be :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It occurred to me while reading this that one of the traditional ways to break monopolistic practices was by forming a CO-OP.</p>
<p>Can you imagine the purchasing power and resources a few dozen (or hundred) shows would have? If a venue wanted the business from any of them, they&#8217;d have to provide rates and services acceptable to the co-op (or trade association, or whatever).</p>
<p>If a venue wanted to be an approved location, they would have to offer transparency and fall within certain guidelines. Their upside obviously is that as long as they make the co-op happy, the co-op will continue to send them far more business than any one show could hope to offer.</p>
<p>Heck for all the money involved, a large enough co-op could actually buy it&#8217;s own venue(s) and cut out the middlemen. Whatever the result, I&#8217;ve found that working together (even with competitors) tends to work better than getting screwed one-by-one.</p>
<p>Just thinking out loud &#8211; but if any group was capable of organizing this type of thing, you&#8217;d think professional event organizers would be <img src='http://www.tradeshowstartup.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: brett tabke</title>
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		<dc:creator>brett tabke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 18:54:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Say, after seeing you sold NME - I guess you really WERE serious. hehe

So, now that you have some time on your hands, how about starting that Trade Show association/union/group that reps trade shows to convention centers?


&gt; High speed Internet costs.

ditto. There is a fine line between legitimate and gratuitous monopolistic price gouging. We are seeing the later at many convention centers. These are exclusive agreements at these shows and they know they have a monopoly and you have no choice.

&gt; Drayage

I have tried to produce a way around Drayage, and have not been able too. Atleast with a general contractor, we have a choice and there is competition.

&gt; The Pay to Play Mentality.

Yep, we run up against it all the time. We try to draw the line, but often, who are the most qualified speakers? It is tough to have a session about Windows Vista Internals without someone from Microsoft on the panel. At the same time, you know they  are going to be in the expo hall as well. Which came first - the session or the sponsorship dollars?

&gt;Room Blocks &amp; Attrition.

Ouch. It is a tough nut to crack. I don&#039;t know the answer, other than to low ball your room block figure at the start and demand a 30 day opt out clause.

&gt;5) Lack of Control Over The Customer Experience 

Agreed. Dealing with venues and outside vendors is difficult. I think we have all been in those situations before.

I would like to start a trade show &quot;union&quot; to represent shows to venues and vendors.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Say, after seeing you sold NME &#8211; I guess you really WERE serious. hehe</p>
<p>So, now that you have some time on your hands, how about starting that Trade Show association/union/group that reps trade shows to convention centers?</p>
<p>&gt; High speed Internet costs.</p>
<p>ditto. There is a fine line between legitimate and gratuitous monopolistic price gouging. We are seeing the later at many convention centers. These are exclusive agreements at these shows and they know they have a monopoly and you have no choice.</p>
<p>&gt; Drayage</p>
<p>I have tried to produce a way around Drayage, and have not been able too. Atleast with a general contractor, we have a choice and there is competition.</p>
<p>&gt; The Pay to Play Mentality.</p>
<p>Yep, we run up against it all the time. We try to draw the line, but often, who are the most qualified speakers? It is tough to have a session about Windows Vista Internals without someone from Microsoft on the panel. At the same time, you know they  are going to be in the expo hall as well. Which came first &#8211; the session or the sponsorship dollars?</p>
<p>&gt;Room Blocks &amp; Attrition.</p>
<p>Ouch. It is a tough nut to crack. I don&#8217;t know the answer, other than to low ball your room block figure at the start and demand a 30 day opt out clause.</p>
<p>&gt;5) Lack of Control Over The Customer Experience </p>
<p>Agreed. Dealing with venues and outside vendors is difficult. I think we have all been in those situations before.</p>
<p>I would like to start a trade show &#8220;union&#8221; to represent shows to venues and vendors.</p>
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		<title>By: adfabexhibits</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 01:52:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cost are becoming too high but there are alternative places like Universities, however I still feel your pain</description>
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		<title>By: Charles Stricklin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charles Stricklin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 17:19:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tim,

Hear, hear! Every point you made is solid and dead on!

When I started planning the first WordCamp Dallas last year, I contacted the Dallas Chamber of Commerce who put out the word to every hotel and convention center that I was looking for a venue. Every one of them offered the ballroom(s) for free, but I&#039;d have to agree to outrageous room blocks (this was supposed to be primarily for DFW-area residents, after all), plus pay for catering, A/V, WiFi, etc.

I know the hotel needs to make money, but they need to learn to be competitive! In the end, I decided to go true unconference style and hold the event at what was essentially a free venue. We practically broke even, which was fine because it was never intended to be a for-profit event.

I can only imagine how maddening this Mickey Mouse, nickle-and-dime thuggery can be, and you have my sympathies. You&#039;re a good influence on the tradeshow industry, and it&#039;d be a real shame should you decide to leave on account of the hassle:reward ratio.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim,</p>
<p>Hear, hear! Every point you made is solid and dead on!</p>
<p>When I started planning the first WordCamp Dallas last year, I contacted the Dallas Chamber of Commerce who put out the word to every hotel and convention center that I was looking for a venue. Every one of them offered the ballroom(s) for free, but I&#8217;d have to agree to outrageous room blocks (this was supposed to be primarily for DFW-area residents, after all), plus pay for catering, A/V, WiFi, etc.</p>
<p>I know the hotel needs to make money, but they need to learn to be competitive! In the end, I decided to go true unconference style and hold the event at what was essentially a free venue. We practically broke even, which was fine because it was never intended to be a for-profit event.</p>
<p>I can only imagine how maddening this Mickey Mouse, nickle-and-dime thuggery can be, and you have my sympathies. You&#8217;re a good influence on the tradeshow industry, and it&#8217;d be a real shame should you decide to leave on account of the hassle:reward ratio.</p>
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		<title>By: Trade show exhibits</title>
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		<dc:creator>Trade show exhibits</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 19:58:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tim, hang in there. These vendors will realize one day that if the customers stop attending the events, they will have to lower their prices. But at the same time, it&#039;s supply and demand. Unless the majority of the trade show hosts team up and refuse to pay or even attend these events, the vendors will keep on charging the high prices. 
You are right about the customers not be treated fairly, but that&#039;s the business world. I think you should keep on doing the trade shows. It might be costly, it might hurt some new businesses, but the results are not predictable. Some might benefit from the events and it will be because you decided to stay in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim, hang in there. These vendors will realize one day that if the customers stop attending the events, they will have to lower their prices. But at the same time, it&#8217;s supply and demand. Unless the majority of the trade show hosts team up and refuse to pay or even attend these events, the vendors will keep on charging the high prices.<br />
You are right about the customers not be treated fairly, but that&#8217;s the business world. I think you should keep on doing the trade shows. It might be costly, it might hurt some new businesses, but the results are not predictable. Some might benefit from the events and it will be because you decided to stay in.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 16:48:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great conversation about events- want to add two more cents to the discussion:

Lot of thoughts about alternative venues and destinations - they should be explored. If you can attract the same audience in a destination like Indianapolis over Las Vegas at a lower cost you should do it. I don&#039;t think your final attendance numbers will support that decision. Similar with other forms of media, you pay more for a 30 second TV spot during the Superbowl than other programming, why - audience... If someone in Las Vegas will discount and dare to be compared to Indianapolis you have found a weak link, take advantage.

What does Right to Work Mean? There is some confusion that hosting a meeting in Nevada, a right to work state, means the influence of organized labor should be less, as we know it is not... Let me help. Right to Work means a worker has the right to work in a job and not join the union. For example, a server in Las Vegas has the right to work in a hotel and not pay Culinary dues, his job duties, pay &amp; benefits will still be determined by the collective bargaining agreement signed by his employer, but he has a right to work without paying dues. Most don&#039;t choose to be represented without the ability to vote their wishes.

What Right to Work does not mean is that you can hold a meeting in a hotel and your exhibitors can perform any work that they wish. This scope of work is determined when the show organizer signs a contract with the contractor. That agreement determines who does what work. If you hire a union contractor that contractors agreement will support the CBA that they have signed.

Hope this helps. There are more non-union friendly destinations, some are even not right to work states. Where, 2nd and 3rd tier cities.... ie. Indianapolis.

So we finish where we started, pick your destination based on attendance capture, price accordingly based on attendance and the costs will be commensurate with the marketing opportunity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great conversation about events- want to add two more cents to the discussion:</p>
<p>Lot of thoughts about alternative venues and destinations &#8211; they should be explored. If you can attract the same audience in a destination like Indianapolis over Las Vegas at a lower cost you should do it. I don&#8217;t think your final attendance numbers will support that decision. Similar with other forms of media, you pay more for a 30 second TV spot during the Superbowl than other programming, why &#8211; audience&#8230; If someone in Las Vegas will discount and dare to be compared to Indianapolis you have found a weak link, take advantage.</p>
<p>What does Right to Work Mean? There is some confusion that hosting a meeting in Nevada, a right to work state, means the influence of organized labor should be less, as we know it is not&#8230; Let me help. Right to Work means a worker has the right to work in a job and not join the union. For example, a server in Las Vegas has the right to work in a hotel and not pay Culinary dues, his job duties, pay &amp; benefits will still be determined by the collective bargaining agreement signed by his employer, but he has a right to work without paying dues. Most don&#8217;t choose to be represented without the ability to vote their wishes.</p>
<p>What Right to Work does not mean is that you can hold a meeting in a hotel and your exhibitors can perform any work that they wish. This scope of work is determined when the show organizer signs a contract with the contractor. That agreement determines who does what work. If you hire a union contractor that contractors agreement will support the CBA that they have signed.</p>
<p>Hope this helps. There are more non-union friendly destinations, some are even not right to work states. Where, 2nd and 3rd tier cities&#8230;. ie. Indianapolis.</p>
<p>So we finish where we started, pick your destination based on attendance capture, price accordingly based on attendance and the costs will be commensurate with the marketing opportunity.</p>
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